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     Interview with Karen Hughes White, Archivist and founder of the
    Afro-American Historical Association of Fauquier County
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he is to be very honest thomas jefferson forced a figure to me simply is that he is their present the united states recently i've become very interested in him because he was the owner of three sets of my ancestors that make me who i am so naturally i'm did have all the information that i can to understand the man in order to understand from where i came far as the treatment of my ancestors in the roles they would've played in america to me it's very very rewarding to go to elaborate and it picked up a book on jefferson and find the names of my ancestors such as lack of a fourth great grandfather or further background to date from the first american ancestors through to my grandchild is ten generations and to me that's for a rewarding for
feeling theyre president thomas jefferson was the president of the united states again the ending i didn't know much about him wasn't interested in him as a man who wasn't for interested in and a lot of the quote unquote founding fathers of america simply because i never related to be an arm that's basically about it it was just like the bus service history that i really comprehend it for us my fourth grade virginia history book force blacks are african americans as slaves or number two incidences where they are talk about the slaves one was are drawn the war between the states they
talk about some slaves are ran off because they've heard of thrones that there won't be emancipate where others were loyal to the to the ones that they love me and that own this because they will treat you can cheer for another instance was when they were talking about the roles that the slaves or servants plate which was also a field hand swear i'll just learn to become lax maps and that worked in the kitchen and they were cared for well people will fade closed and when they were sick they were given medicine can do in the time that tom who are at the account of the war between the states i was really really emotional it but lee's surrender because what i was virginia you know and we did this out of the goodness of his heart to protect his men to get warm clothes and shelter you know because they had been out in the young water so long trying to fight called up uphold what they
believed that what they need it and to me it's just so misleading because it does not go into the roles that we actually played all actually the hold on wall itself you know yes it was the needs of the southern planters versus the needs of the young northerners but foreigners their factual things are actually won on you know given that you don't understand it you don't comprehend it so you're looking at one thing one way basically jefferson in his row two needs jefferson symbolizes america in the sense that jefferson was a man of his time and he was no different from any other man with the exception of of his political no financial status
judges it was vital in the writing of the declaration of independence he was that their president but he was the man and he owned slaves and he profited from his slaves he was a very curious man and the sense that dumb you've always wanted alice thanks and he now i asked the best way to all make a profit own whether sleep was better suited own huge idealize each person's own and the sense of where they cut down graded make the most from them some or more capable or trustworthy so he would have been closer to heal where others were not benefield danza won over some young boys he utilizes the cic the boys the girls all women each one level he never head a a slave that was and that worked you know he basically static the whole thing i
can say that i agree with all of his facts of findings you know here is the analysis but at the same time he yelled if you were sick then you had it easy to date maybe just shelled corn that day where so when they get all will be a nurse stand house and to give the children you know everybody had a job so he didn't have been about it it was no big league you know makes jefferson a man of his term he was no different from anyone else he was a human he was not a god are jefferson i can't say whether he was gay at a good i think many of the slaves were are treated there are particularly my family land because my family line were closely related to his wife and now it was a kinship the year and i firmly believe that
kinship from from his land as well and know from that poured the house servants they are or were treated better force him being bet i think he was so oh man a loss for miami and that they keep us what it was would he give dealers oh after i had no interest in hip know does an adult the historian and the district of columbia or a plea that nine e flat the summer how bored macho and now baby i was introduced to her as she was the director of what over and you know this amounted to it meant absolutely nothing to me and tell they say charlottesville because my concept macho in charlottesville it didn't you know the two did not nationally but once she set shells will of bell labs hold us were naked us with my great
granddaddy sprout less where where waste and now we shared a lot of information and that worked with harris will shoot with me and now which sales funnels and addresses and i gave her my great grandfather's name which is where we use and now from that port couple months later got a letter from her and she said that she found in the census records making fifty that there was a warm hughes who's a gardener job jefferson's to stay eight on in the household his head rather brokaw court and now could this be a connection so they get a warm hughes cellist oh yes it's a connection that slot hundred years off from for my great grandfather said maybe his grandfather something that nature but i had nothing to go on i could not make a connection puzzles were going on another project in that milligan had the time to pursue it because the need to weed out the county finally this was around may perceive the lever for in august
january that curious again town's most nobel a couple days that time too will research so well following up on that i wrote to her are called her want to play that called her she sent me some information on normally who was the gardner and tells me that down uber johnson had this war was like my third grandfather thanked just the way it is but their great grandfather and he went by the name he uses i started with this history or warning to know i've always what know since i was a child i'm always curious but i can never hold the names in my head to write everything down and known around now nineteen ninety in a mother of teenagers how am i just felt that my kids were kids now input i say mikey its
case within the community as well as mike moen daughter own tend to take our education and school system all that for granted it really bothered me in the sense that i thought that they had a great opportunity and they she utilized what they hear it and i felt that that it wasn't a connection there with who they were where they came from and i thought maybe if we started documenting some information that maybe they would wouldn't take things soap so lightly because i remember oh in nineteen sixty eight when i first went to the high school in my area who was forced integration at that point and up to that port i never really had any idea of the differences of races are other been speaking to people on the street and go my own way it's b was not with
with myself and then as the mother in the nineties of a teenage daughter and other children i felt it necessary to reach out and to try to uncover my roots and the sense of learning more about my ancestors and the roles they play in america having lived through the integration of nineteen sixty eight and just know what i went through as a challenge trying to relate and try to understand a felt that i felt the need to utilize things that were available to us and i felt that if my children and the children in the community in which i live and just to the roles that each bird ancestors played i felt that they would feel better about themselves and better understand the need to proceed or in life i started our research in milan owned by questioning aunts in our parents and
are just right and everything that i could start with the basic oral history and then one day i was at a bookstore not found a book on the force within the county so i went through the nfl a couple of my ancestors in and i found another book written by the same person and then from that point the book tall where you go for more information so visit the local record area where you could receive you marriage protect whales those type things that us all the local sources and as i would do that who would have family gatherings so a cheer with the family and each time one ancestor would automatically it would bring a tail back a little bit about something that i had found a spark a memory and again i would write that an unknown start of a new book for each one of my family at all one was basically
setting up the family line system what time frame they were all one thing that fascinated me was doing that so we wore my mother told the tale of one of a family line from late on all the nominees were it locally in the county fish around that all that they are sandwiched the men would go home type bank and then assumes those backward turned they would give them all the food that they could give them you know and give them supply some he answered disrupt yourself just give them every day another story that i'm one of my cousins told he's on a secure zone than he remembered one of my ancestors home in the gainesville area for junior tone until bergdahl carolina wrote and said that the carolina wrote not only served as a means of the underground round robot slave traders are exports and imports lays back and forth to the south on this line and said that they each and they always have to make an example that now whenever one of the children he cried a lot whether between tightness of homework
called the whatever that they would literally bash the key it's here that gets a tree in order to make an example to the mothers to keep the children quiet so from that point on the children were quiet and beyond angry and heard in that way you know om i don't dwell a lot on any of that i just take it for what it's worth in the world is to let me know the capabilities of may and know that this these were work with people and they were human arm i can't begin to understand the rationale behind all this other than to make them feel in charge are in control whatever i can't go there often is too painful the first time i went on a cello
it was unnerving to the sense that when we pulled up into the lab and we sell the stables and who told that my great great great grandfather wouldn't work in its tables and we saw the crowds and he was the kind of thing and to know beloved flowers and plants guarding of my father out you know it just made me connect you know and i felt like i was walking in the actual footprints and now i'm dreaming feel very very for philbin connected it made me feel a sense of belonging and then from that point as you walk through the house and no under the article and the labyrinth that was very dramatic because one of the great uncle's death the coughing and the connect of debt and to see the books in so many things and characteristics that that house shows it and holds huge holes true today for my family far as the
colors of thrones about the love of books the air and the views and the things that we as a family two to work on those grounds i think you have to really really and alas your slave holder as you would on any plantation with those grounds in particular i think it would have to know the mood that he was in on a particular day in order to have had a function that day and i think you'd have to take it one day at a time walking those grounds this is tremendous and no when a mobile or row is a when the slave quarters and the artisans are shops where most of my immediate family romo are really in close out slave quarters and no
they were basically the artist's incident and the house servants they are so i tend to believe it they had a easier time than a lot of the slaves not to say that they had a goal of jewish life by any means i think it would've been hard because even even the elite slaves and they were but they were always they were also separatist a family in their family units were not always together and i think you have to take it one day at a time it is you have to be a slave you were not in control of any of your needs wants designers or anything you were controlled by someone else your thoughts you would dictate it to arm
you may have hit him with opinions and thoughts but you could never displayed them arm as a slave you would have to teach your children different than what you would teach them nail mother now what in another black baptists you you know you turn that other cheek and you know you need to do things differently back then i would imagine a mother would say yes i want a child but no he never look a man in the face of a local man and you got to be tough you gotta work you can't do is you got into that and i can imagine her telling her daughter's look pretty for the mass to chow because this might picture easy day ike anant when i walked on some of those plantations so even jefferson's plantation and short winded that the gore not one he'll and i think about the crowds of work out the guards they work out i do whatever i had to do to survive and i don't think they would have been any different
you have to hire new heart only do in that timeframe families for blacks were not alone family she would give birth to a child when you try to raise the child to be independent of of a family yes you would want to reach out and it a child but you know just the child you would package and you add the heart with your children alone not to say that the mother would love the child when coupled that chow but the same time the more you do that the harder it would be for their child today women especially myself with fire which our mom come on over arctic char back and if you walk the chow you'd nurturing their child to bond with you you could not raise your children realistically to bond with you because the separation what almost killed them then you as well i believe that slave women
house servants basically bonded with those more white children their masters' children because it was a bombay or as long as they were in that that area and most of those children then nurses oh a slave nurses so mammy so when you were called on those children you know i really looked up to them and and it was a close ally with them because many of them with their wet nurses so for today's episode the whole family scene for separation whether you're going down south or to the plantation next day all of it was traumatic because each
day of your life you had to sit back and watch either huge child being defiled org sold off or heart out to have someone else where you had no control over a man had to watch his wife kari someone else's charts and had no control over what a woman to stand and watch her husband b and b doable vice versa eat you had no control over the sink these were things that you had to learn to tolerate terror on how great in the sense of except for what it was you had no control over many times it's both imagine if you went to a slave auction and
you sold and you're going down south that means hard work means disease malaria and a detachment of of anything from alien because first of all the person to be sold to you would know i am nine times out of ten you wouldn't be in the company of any slaves that you knew and you may not even totally understand anything about what was going on because many many units were sold at that time twelve thirteen fourteen year olds were sold and they will shut down along with the runaway saw people with many scars because sound they would send them down so that was a way of punishment inning rebellious people will work it out of them we will control them one way or the other right attitude the beatings
the bulk of the joyous would be at the outset the dock i would feel for them for many blacks it was their tab when a message was sleeping well that would be for for playing musical are clapping the telling details so quilting or cooking in feeding each other it was their time and many of them stay up late just to hit the airtime and many people i don't believe i'm totally understood they may have worked in the fields anywhere from ten twelve fourteen hours a day but those tour of wells that they had together as a family as a unit that's what got them through the next forty hours you had to have some type of mental stability in order to endure and to get through it and it was like it to me one day at a time in order to manage one of
the next day may bring because you may have gone to sleep that night feel and comfort to know that i had six children i had three of them with me today whitmore you may have known so you may be gone a new children's do you had no control most say no anything was never a leverage over to the slaves free blacks indentured servants all hope for the state think some type of freedom in the system of which equality with some dates is free in the sense of the right to go to the church or to sit where you want to set up the freedom to two have a garden and features children of freedom to have a home or a blanket to put them under
his body has been completed two of his sons early thoughts on phone slavery was probably to abolish it later on it became a man veron a very strong pitching like that the aisle he helped by his slaves he oh i think he was also a person that had to have complete control or a sense of of of control over everything and everyone forced labor at the production of labor for one would go and calm but at the same time many of my ancestors
were able to move around for three year even though they were slaves but freedom for a white person home that freedom for a person of college simply because people of color were property they were not considered people say right now when jefferson he spoke of freedom and equality he was speaking of freedom equality for people that will write he was not speaking of slaves of a black man something because they will consider this property not as individuals his analysis of people of color and his mammals always inferior except with exception of
music musical abilities far as a tone and that is i can't relate while allowing their own far it's his his thoughts because i can not to get too deeply involved with his thoughts or freedom or anything because to a certain extent it only brings a certain hostilities within a single because i know that the man i was living in his terms and i realized that no don that timeframe in order to maintain these large plantations were these homes a certain amount of labor was needed but also know that this label was not black ancestors you know and it was not only jefferson but a most people period was their needs and we were utilized to fulfill their needs to morgues lost this is the way america was built they came he white
people or english people would ever came here and to americans seeking certain freedoms freedom of speech freedom of women religion whatever but the certain freedoms were maintained and received by the sweat but the black maine and america was built by the trade to work the jobs that the blacks into a bomb this country a strong symbol of it art because he was one of the quote unquote founding fathers and he was a slave owners is set was that i can't do all our lap on jefferson oh my cello or of his role as is that their president or anything else on jefferson is of little importance to me to be very very honest with you are and know that he is one of my ancestors one way or the other whether it's a great uncle grandfather lion or whatever is whatever you choose to believe but there too many
similarities for me not to for me to deny it but my concern with jefferson is merely trying to understand what my black ancestors dealt with do in the time frame that when i want their act try to put myself in and the shoes of that woman a man in working there for that day how easy was it to maintain food from their kitchen and could you keep it warm enough to get upstairs and hamlet house was a setback for you to re warm it or if the sauce wasn't just right which you have to go back down and stand in that you know just area the fireplace area where you cooking from and those are type thanks oh hammett towns from that low down waiter was playing sit back and forth what was being said think of four and i do believe that
there were no messages from my ancestors sit back and forth two ways of communicating different things and i'm sure they had secret codes for everything it's no different today when you're working week you do which meant to do to some of that a belief when jefferson died a lot of the feelings of my ancestors that with him simply because during the time that he was living they hid more freedoms than where many slaves hid and upon his death they were so too jailed many of his debts own song were spread out through the own through the area here in charlottesville and in virginia and some were not so fortunate as to stay in
syria but there was a great separation of a family farm mai ancestors were where it's sold on some to the university and one of the young men of the university had one line which was our first look was a pastry cause she was my plan great great great grandmother think of had that great a way she was one of my grandmother's and now her children one of whom thing robert which was my great great grandfather and now and a nothing a few two years old being sold and that is just overwhelming to me you know it's hard to i can see everything that they had to go through to two sublime as long as jefferson lived it was a sense of of of unity a sense of belonging because
jefferson was a man of his term but for the most part many of my hands sisters were treated recently well and they moved without a lot of the patients some of them quote unquote ran away with and jefferson's death my ancestors even more as a family we're laced wife anne who is my great great great grandfather she and several of her young children also to the university of virginia many of them were dispersed throughout virginia one and two members of the time some were sold this group says as families but not all of them even join jefferson's early life groups family
groups were were separated but upon his death you had no hopes of being maintained as a family at least when he was living how the hearings hughes graduate which all my ancestors they were basically together they're they wanted to that that was separate it will put on other plantations see that's the other thing when when these people had plantations some of them had three or four so you may have a husband live in a one plantation and the wife of another and children on another it just depends on what the owner needed at the time and slavery you can almost say it depends on the needs of the young are some individual bases is to the carrie in the treatment of of the slave system what they're only the what is desirous were but upon jefferson's death there was no hope for family unity because he was gone to get ahead of the cello was going to
end oh i think you say about i really do and i think the bulk of them forced my family and i think they cared about jobs at home not only from the sense of calm no jumps into jefferson's children as well because there was a kinship day and it's what they've knew it was familiar to them that was home we're only mike their third great grandfather believed was the garden of the year are he also worked in the mail every and he worked with the horses' stables and things but when jefferson that he doped great for jefferson and he would often walk the gardens with jefferson their accounts of him you know covering this or covering that forced the frosted our jefferson wrote everything down their snowfall account book that is so many accounts at the
different lines of my family they were given one like it's our rations of food or just numbers of thing jada chief of clark fought for their clothes everything which means a lot to me i'm glad he was in a sense and candidate who doubted that data but it's simple because i can find out more about my ancestors and in the treatment that they were given it's just that i don't have the time to really get into it the way i would like to ok ok well do is have read you off an appraisal and inventoried the state of thomas jefferson deceased and this is dated the seventh day of august
this would be eighteen to twenty six and thomas randolph was his succinct her make her a man frantically the meat among the very prized isn't this a moment to malign need for a woman annie brown worth nothing make her a woman credit worth nothing new for a man as nick this is the carter i'm not sure about him but i do have an asset was the blacksmith that was an uncle that was the year in his picture is in a lot of the books history books and there's also as i can yeah
pun jefferson's death there's a record it into an appraisal of his estate which includes his slaves because they were property elson it for a man by the name of barnaby was valued at fortune eighty dollars a negro woman other named eddie brown was worth nothing a negro woman credit was also worth nothing and made room and warmly was valued at two hundred dollars and make her a woman ursula and a young child a three hundred dollars these are just a few in outlook to stage list that are sort of soul to it nan here at the university or slow credit george robert amber rose sold for eleven hundred dollars the semi direct dispersal surface a pastry crust robert who was to use all of the palette the sale went on to be a preacher here in
charlottesville but for the most part not all of the slaves that were separated from family or for minor children from a new grounds were fortunate enough to be sold as as family units the younger children of ursula and wormwood were kept together seeking that jefferson's daughter from what i'm told informally fried worm way with the gartner and some of the other family members as well for the most part they were so anthony hopes of being kept together as a family is gone everything was just which she once knew as familiar was nothing anymore so you had to start over in a quest of how to survive today as well
reading the list and you look at the value of everyone this part was not too overwhelming for me because i've been working realizing that this was a no more for that for that type of town for instance ninety nine he found because i've been researching other family lands i think initially when i read the very first one was far more dramatic than reading this one with an account of of my own family because you realize it becomes a very real that these people were not considered people they were considered property and property owners could do whatever they so does it have to do with them if they chose not to beat you on they would receive more money from work us a slave with no scars than they would for slate with scars when i look at the young fruit register of blacks i'm seventy nine through became of virginia law that if you free your care certificate stating that you free and who freed you in a
description and they would talk about the scars and have anything goes you get whether you were nearly white or whether you were black or these descriptions to me was like the ideal braiding careful because i grew up on west of the cowboys and indians that type thing and when i really started reading this and then at the same time politics was thankful that they did the descriptions because i can visualize what my ancestors would've appeared today so so comics vet but at the same time it's very very hard to submit appeal to try to swallow and you can't for me i can't dwell a lot on the they're parts of slavery which i can say that there's any good part of that that i can't dwell a lot on the treatment of the slaves because it will definitely hard newhart if you you know just constantly go over global for go over there i just have to take it as it was history is is this from where we came
to me there's a great lesson to her own america was built it was for and the idea that all men are created equal and this is the goal that we must the chief that we are created equal and to know one day that we wake up and we don't see the difference is that each one of us hey if you know there's always going to be some type of prejudice some type of art old people feel superior and inferior and i think that's something that i will be i don't think that's going to change that i think for the most part of slavery the best thing that we can learn from that is to learn how to snap right snapped snow justice in it fb
it's b for the reality of the roles of slaves and where they were to meet one of the things that stands out like disciplined jefferson's death there were there was a recorded appraisal an inventory of his estate and on the case inventory could list the slaves because they were the property there was an anchorman carnegie was valued at four hundred dollars need for a woman barely brown was worth nothing for negro woman worth nothing negro woman ellen three hundred dollars nick remain peter him inks four hundred dollars an acre of sally hemmings two hundred dollars the man
formerly two hundred dollars negro woman ursula and her young child three hundred dollars negro woman and in her young child three fifty nick goes on down it could list all of his slaves just make a one first when her youngest child and you probably younger children were sold to the university for eleven hundred hours on this account list ursula critter george dropped anchor well for eleven hundred houses being so along with some other household goods mr fury it brings to life you know the concept of the aca years the the history itself of that the time you know it it i'll make you realize who you were from and what you could or could not do when and where you were in in the
place of america itself you consider property knew had no rights no freedom snow anything and to be owned by jefferson to live up on the mountain and upon his death you were sold as all the other slaves throughout virginia it's very on the same today and came from three sets of jefferson's slaves one family line was great george and queen ursula queen ursa was a pastry cook and she had been with jefferson back in the us
seventeens seventy timeframe most of my ancestors date back to the seventeen hundreds with with jefferson seventeen seventies for some were inherited through his power from his mother's home from his wife's power but for the younger generations all they knew was mona chalabi and this was home to them unless they want one of his other plantations all with his daughters and their families but for the most part this is all that they knew as well as many other people what they came from a to them was home to them and the people they're became family to them as much as they could allow themselves to feel a could a connection with and i do believe that my ancestors of mine a cello had a family crew mate they will vary close knit and i can't say that they felt totally us virginians all americans either
because i don't think that we ever really connect it would never had a total sense of belonging or acceptance because who never accepted as people who accepted his property as a weak mean self of making the yellow an income or offer his own nice and survival i think normally seventy was the gartner the nail on that you know i can't think of their pre identified herself totally there's any one thankful for fear that it what we related to war became accustomed to would be stripped away from us i do believe that there was a great sense of loyalty and i do believe that they care for jefferson never did not that and i think for the most part jobs and cared deeply for mark for my ancestors as much as he was able to kiev for anything or anyone and i think it was fascinating
so lots of slavery and trying to understand the roles that dances displayed is a very difficult task because unless you were a person privy to the court system will go to them working at the court system or to have a mastered that would allow you to do this or unless he was tom hardy you out and you treat than he thought of a lawsuit to recover what he was doing there's no no documentation regarding the all you can do is just generalized and you saw the feeling like in limbo because you don't know what type of man says tv it would have had an ancestor that would've been a runner would he have then bill youse person what you've gone out and now created everything to get the patrol was patrolling every night oh what you've
been quiet what you have found crown plan summer agreed to pause and people would even want to burn the jails courthouses damp what would he have done that he worked in the fields or the houses but what i do at that time those are the questions that played meeting regularly on my ancestors being jefferson's place this is only one part of who i am irish books on about seven of the lines that make me who i am and i am really played over who these people were going and what did they do and there's very very little documentation all i can do is read and track understand the whole concept of slavery end to look at back at pictures to rule us the type of quartz that they have to maintain or to look at the county records one of the best things that i've come in contact with is a nineteen thirty six book published by john gielgud which are
stacks of that to the assembly which is the black was a virginian these will also written that govern what blacks could do whether you're free and dented or slaves and to me it's like a mini babel because you you really need to know what your ancestors could recruit back to in order to research them when she realized that marriages were not actually legal there was no written account of a marriage than you know when you go to quantas no need looking for marriage into lactic at sixty seven they're going but in the county wrap them that family accounts in them about was that the cells many times they're listed many of the slave quarters housed numerous people in
a pie tin tin back twenty space wouldn't calm chimneys which often caught on fire network to push them over somewhat stone chimneys so i imagined it made much of anything i'd they weren't earth force some more on stone some would just whatever was available at the time few blankets clothing for the most part that i found and pitching in hawking county and the county in which i live it helps me in a world where blacks were higher annual basis they were given a lot like a costume worn clothes shoes and they were supposed to be treated humanely and if by chance they were not the person hiring them out with files suit against the person at the heart of two full plea of debt to four on and just thought attaining
that oh well if i put myself in their position that approach we can make it a little more damage in her arm everything is on an individual basis and what was going on at the time any time i found that in eight and there was a question of any type of rebellion the patrols patrol that much more they were constantly out on the young plantations and they would go in and check to see where everybody was panicking this week we're really if he's the only person that killed fifty people that's a miracle because anyone that would allow themselves to thank
as to the injustices of slavery would be far worse than that for slaves most of those who i would say we didn't dwell on the injustices because it was no way to be rational about it over because you were treated eventually yeah philadelphia helped us on reasonable are thought of hope it was also a place of jobs fb you have to you have to question the rationale behind everything
as a mother you think what would a person were killed the children they were innocent they had nothing to do but at the same time you think afoul of killing children of the owner that means those children of their own and would be the owner of his children too it's like if i wipe out the next generation than maybe it'll stop they are we really can't totally understand everything you can only draw different conclusions you can think that everything's on individual basis as to what you think because you were there and it was you that act i actually think that once you start killing one person the next person you were nodding controlling knew you didn't know what you were doing at that point because you were brought up in a society no town that will snap humane slavery is nothing about slavery that swimming or any acts of times throughout regardless of yap hand quote unquote your slave owner
was you steal property at that point philadelphia was the hopes philadelphia was a means of freedom a means of jobs maybe of reconnecting with a family member that it escaped the young charles of slavery here in virginia philadelphia after the war held jobs preachers from flocking county virginia also were preachers in philadelphia which was amazing to me it's very compulsive they knew all that down it just listening now how easily they moved around and i think about the conditions of the road so that means of trout will attend a thing that they always work right in that same community but when you actually go and found the documents they went everywhere they they were very
very smart people to come come into it area where you know nothing of the line which nothing of the culture but to be able to be enslaved and then to greece in and understand a way to survive and to still have to send its living today to make that is so remarkable group of people oh i want to listen to understand that history happened and never take life for granted take everything that it offers you and pinstripe for more because nothing is easy in this world take nothing nothing at all for granted but be proud of who you are because you're people were rich in so many ways and they build this
american which we live and one day one day somewhat banks hopefully will be equal than at math here but we have to educate our children and our children need to know that education is the key education has to be hiring list of parties and your family unit you groups or churches everything we are family and we need to remain as a family and as a group of people and to connect somewhere to feel a connection
Africans in America
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Brotherly Love
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Interview with Karen Hughes White, Archivist and founder of the Afro-American Historical Association of Fauquier County
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WGBH (Boston, Massachusetts)
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Karen Hughes White is interviewed about Thomas Jefferson as owner of her ancestors and as a man of his time, how she learned about her family history, her first visit to Monticello and seeing where her ancestors toiled, separation of families, Jefferson estate slave inventory and records of sale, slave living conditions.
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American history, African Americans, civil rights, slavery, abolition, Civil War
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Chicago: “Africans in America; 103; Brotherly Love; Interview with Karen Hughes White, Archivist and founder of the Afro-American Historical Association of Fauquier County ,” 1998-00-00, WGBH, American Archive of Public Broadcasting (GBH and the Library of Congress), Boston, MA and Washington, DC, accessed March 4, 2024,
MLA: “Africans in America; 103; Brotherly Love; Interview with Karen Hughes White, Archivist and founder of the Afro-American Historical Association of Fauquier County .” 1998-00-00. WGBH, American Archive of Public Broadcasting (GBH and the Library of Congress), Boston, MA and Washington, DC. Web. March 4, 2024. <>.
APA: Africans in America; 103; Brotherly Love; Interview with Karen Hughes White, Archivist and founder of the Afro-American Historical Association of Fauquier County . Boston, MA: WGBH, American Archive of Public Broadcasting (GBH and the Library of Congress), Boston, MA and Washington, DC. Retrieved from