1973 Watergate Hearings; 1973-11-07; Part 4 of 6

it's b and there's also a federal judgeship but some opposition in the administration and return to his executive position as chairman of the spanish speaking democrat senators i recall discussions that we have that says hand this at the time we explore the possibilities of the judges to an investigation because he was so well known that's american community had no time to i recall at one promising or offering mr objection on this position whoever doing some time after the election there was a vacancy on the consumer safety products commission were present wanted to appoint someone was speaking to an extraction and his name came up and i believe it

was in interviews and offered the position can you then five foot two and forty four one is a memorandum john top rated of the state eighteen nineteen seventy two film you said the judge then that's have a lot of followers on june eight nineteen seventy two now the letter dated june twelve nineteen seventy two from you don't have a mandate you'd make the authenticity of these properties yes sir and then inserted in direct consent may be appropriately identified an incident on the documents have not previously been recently that it will vigorously prevent station millions of sects alan weil well you know i have the visions title eighteen section six hundred

years ago like cry from a bottle other benefits under consideration for political foil candidate a political ploy is the inserted into it one more like to emphasize that there was no promise or no offer put celebrities in on this about a federal judge let lets people and sail to buy this specific pledges he will be appropriately re matt recommended him it's both now you didn't know any of the money is made available in an ad

campaign for both what did not campaign to do not some really really living thirty six in nineteen seventy two radiation city development issues you then about that says no i really pro development associate at that alito sanchez is a washington based consultant permanent ban funding for one to two million dollars about menstruation you know on this audience for the musical oregon list for a man with

one of those campaign called famine inject all most recent he was awarded a five year grant seven hundred and twenty two thousand three hundred and eighty three dollars at the evaluate an experimental screwball and he also received an eight eight es be a contract over two hundred thousand dollars evaluate bilingual education programs and the us also is the movie again in may thirty thousand dollar grant from the region i would listen an invasion is very present on the consideration of what labor force and this is a classic example of it not necessarily on the regime to make a comfortable living these events that we're well indicates there may have been a few others recommended

not only we've got people you're welcome you still that way this is an opinion of mine senator that i passed on to a member of our responsiveness to open they in turn contacted a small businesses which technically he was he had reached the physical world could have been doing it on his own so explain this morning this was a group of four five gentleman who initially were under the leadership of that now i can later american leadership of thinking really responsible to and working with various special interest groups that an image causes operation as well as our personnel operation to make

sure that various agencies responsive to requests went to them from white house personnel matters in publicity for the elections and doug benson contracts seven five it was the group may leave event of public gossip that were awarded in all the contracts is not assisted facility facilitate what you may not try to get to them to continue to work my statement is correct maximize viewers than eight football in the politically yes thank you know for the question jim lucey first round interviews you know family

members rather the question does it deserve it and if you say no i don't think the record is clear as to exactly what took place on the meeting you had with sanchez july nineteen seventies you now you do it will mean that says yes it can you now the recollection to make was to use gaza century was at that meeting i recall we're the party that was so long that median time was david weiner who was and the city's salons paid labor heavy responsibility on the other side of the scientists are responsible and

now you know i had lunch in the white house staff dining and discuss jillian number of things pertaining to pesticides says operation i believe it is you're just like an orchestration and your testimony in response to my question were quite forthright and that refer to the question of whether exceeded the dollar amount i was a boy when you were making this recommendation in illustration and you're recommending the gulf for that reason and the testimony as i

recall it was that that was the reason the us that's not just randomly met with him was that was a discussion with them as to whether or not there's a possibility of getting any additional plans at that meeting there could well done sir i'm aware of the fact that i was this gospel in which he received information from them about whether now that i don't recall that you and really when you are meeting with them expect them to be getting any grant reminisces over a year ago i just really don't recall details or was there any effort at that meeting and i know that you ask the question what is solicit contributions but so my question to you whether any effort at that meeting at least to list his cooperation or support the administration i don't think so but by chance meeting know it was a meeting that that leaves as a kid i initiated

want to become acquainted and become acquainted with this one i was sure that the view of this man is a relationship between this man but today's economy and the real you must've been what the usual the moscow continue recall what that was but later it may be a mosque where i guess it was our impression that impression that decision that it appeared he have from sources outside of learning that he was not going to support administration so this was a recommendation that women out there you were organization and if you engage in any discussion with an internet address is because what's most of wisconsin lacrosse

as india active democrat who the bleep was found arizona now has expanded into other southwestern states i would be supportive of the administration into some discussions at some more people had from the campaign staff as well as our staff there was some discussion about them supporting the president clinton said they were providing some federal contracts and did you discuss i believe there was some discus i had only one meeting with them if i recall and the others picked up on i think what finally happened was empty committee for the relentless mistaken division recommended the strategy and working with them that they be funded for three thousand dollars for a national conference that they wanted a hall i believe they were looking for two or three

massive maybe two or three different parts and how much i'm sure the six figures i don't know the can you write with consideration for assistance and a few months now of the discussion we had guns ammo yesterday concerning this particular organization in your statement was that at no time did you ever believe that one again anywhere but that would create a sense engaging with them as one of the known as a stroke in session the renewed joins us is nine by william grant about discussing the possibility that there's sort of a lease even if they weren't one of the sports that are

we doing the same thing with another organization called arousal union i was not involved in those discussions you were to do that that he want it's big the mouth power from the republican party or making them are governors of the measure that is indicated in yesterday's meeting this was yesterday was the first time i saw this and that now you just turn the page

and the organization and if you received this and i remember that an effort should be made to work to work with them as best as possible the recognition that they may not support the administration both though they could be we're going to manage a lot of the facts are you aware that certain brands remained to this organization for that purpose yes i found out about it i think just before the election oh you were there

which is and wood says iran that you can dictate to report makes the recommendations for social economic development projects and for publicizing the saying it suggests that exploitation of the candidate committee on opportunities in people's which is not alive until carmelo a political and public relations questions advocates consideration of undercover funding of iran's elite is split apart in exchange agreement that whereas in iran's presidential candidates in california and texas you will have this i think i've received a copy of this dish but it's been almost two years and i don't recall throughout california and

in texas now it is true and i think so the record is very clear that was tom and gas committee director president liaison spanish speaking americans in the campaign never played a political role the sign just press try to explain that he he had input into what you didn't have the authority of course to sign off but then he said this monitor that without this i would be granted well he had a lot of say in another was a gay department the gw would not grant any one of the one of the

early twenties who are as important now residents are necessarily in fact even if someone else's site no one at the agency did not have to announce a picture it your understanding that they expected and decide on having a sign on it that it wasn't that james be fair to say that the political influence was introduced in the grant making process of the other's existence yes now the organization and one another's any relationship was this was able to get there you know and it is

it's convenient that appears to be a big shot at the jar shows a law which animal which is worse when you're a man and they were very good with people i just called me in the biggest rivers was over the cabinet and then i'm going to go on and that is an important and now some of those who are already in the game was the twenty eleven and i want to play and also

so that was jawed show is the political arm of the campaign that was working with your spanish speaking i was just little slits use it against this i have no further questions as to do i think they were ones who these memoranda which were not seen before and then if i got a song and that year he received a copy of our sorrow and i like to build those memoranda which is there have also as the moral is copy which is a copy of the virginian

but today i'd like to move the chairman to be identified as an exhibit in a record and then excluded from this these memoranda and memoranda which he has not been able to identify or not and the kidneys seem fair understandable request to be that those memoranda which are gonna have the weapons as its own memoranda all of which he received copies the minister's rejection objectionable sorts of other questions regulations of the small business administration and the policy behind the sort of anthrax in your

hands and the statutory basis for those regulations for is there any objectionable at the raw origins of the usda regulations there's bands without objection disorder i don't believe it discussions with the person you're working with consenting the us census report from nineteen seventy two i yes i've received via phone call from his bunker who was then now the school says deputy in the public relations area and he in turn was working out with some officials at the annual census brought

some publication that was to be released to leave sometime seventy two he in turn asked me for my advice i sent them onto on an arsonist conboy offers egyptians and i think the way that turned out there was some information that was held back from that report recommended that some of that yes you too thirty five which together to discuss the census material and the utility of that committee on your own work what the problem was and why helping to be of that

it's been the push back and it really recollect some ideas ideas that their time in family called this particular portion of that particular study showed the spanish speaking not doing as well as some other minorities and to present jump online and then speeches

and we didn't want to associate with business division and the census report thank you mission as my understanding goes well this was asked people not to that's right yesterday in gaza stands

with you think he did say that they want to be a financial contribution a campaign contribution so if i said that i'd like to clarify businessman and i felt that it was a donation he did not want to have been associated with the campaign well this was for some activities if you recall one of the five areas that was responsible for or special activities related to spanish speaking we had about five or six and formal restrictions or banners for spanish speaking readers who came in washington from time to time on either honoring the most occasions honoring our high levels most appointees or recall two gatherings during the inaugural which were specifically just for spanish speaking and this is a course that this event was is a discovery is what was given this rivalry sudden you're easy

now eight hundred dollars to be used by these hormone balance that we got and treasury with the president's face on an ever reporters at a campaign that no sir that claudio reyna says the army and k s i believe of houston or dallas texas and was even contractors even grammy as we were on the way to receive contributions nilsson of the questions i think that's one question can they make sure that two thousand dollars or two thousand dollars but at every turn on the protester the return of any political organization ouster helen how these dinners receptions just listen to this song

fifty two mention here in three of these memorandum to that instrument one second to admit that rely on those amazing ray prospect of national advertisers for his abdication know what you mean though that sentiment worries you may know this is i believe the only national spanish magazine december compared to everything for them but these people were having a difficult time and getting this off the grounds they came to a number of us to see if we could help them it even then they list of individuals that i knew in the corporate advertising arena like people take you have a joyful business financing says general motors

sony and while sales of those people we're both professional and personal friends not true that actually met with them that they had a court ruling articles about president nixon everyone others actually shows up to election day one of the us senator was to articulate you cheapen says venter speaking to both in the private public sector and so as part of that program to send me to the spanish speaking people were doing with this administration well the articles around people that i recall that senator would have to have the team and so the president is an illustration first four years and that mineral though reject the president to in his image before being national advertisers stepping with frustration

that i don't recall so i think at this point in tandem if only one of two issues published how much did they realize the national average i get a report nelson well i guess i think of those understandings to an existence but again we didn't do there was no follow up they thought it was excused and the committee will stand in recess briefly chairman julian may return about here in a moment a builder john priestess will take the stand to testify about exchanging campaign contributions for government favors the television coverage of the watergate hearings resume after potter station identification on average coverage of the hearings is being broadcast as a public service where local

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politicians right now it is this is the reason yes sir thank

you so much and where are you engaged in that activity by and give us the names of the companies or business as you do you are under two major differences that worker john preaches songs incorporated and praised his loan corporation and basically what we're trying to build a new invasion up primarily single family homes an fha to twenty one to thirty five homes and in the course of your activities within a recent beer the last couple years the un into a difficultly of aj did you run into difficulties that you're going to be suspended yesterday and could you tell us what information received as the

base voters especially big day well newspapers have been running a lot of this is the refineries that is to priests what you have to pay for your own knowledge based on my own knowledge suspension was going to do it a corporation when in the richer green corporation which has not registered as a fictitious name and now after after knowing this information on the problem you have with the fhfa did you come to work and be contacted by a master then fernandez this or could you tell us briefly the circumstances under which mr fernandez well mr fernandez the mental one evening and told me he was from it either a hispanic finance committee i don't recall a sector that is the committee to

reelect president and other raising funds primarily from latin speaking contributors in the south korea how was it that finally are you a latin speaker spanish speaking america knows i'm not you another bill for it but if your customers so my guest mr lennon let's listen and get you know your knowledge no mr fernandez to the bottom so as representing the prison or the hispanic finance committee to get it was that the americans came came to your attention well i don't know that i can i can see is that i found out that he had been to a party the night before i met several dollars of latin descent and rules that he wanted it then newspapers an hour they discuss the eleven microns or the fha but then they

discussed her with mr frantz my name is impossible contributor mike can you place as close as you can the day when that mr fernandez contacted just more i was on about february twenty six nineteen seventy two i know it's a comedy but you really relate the conversation itself on the world to the best of my knowledge was is the conversation that he was a status finally president for well let me say people who he possibly could help me my troubles with it occasionally you had trouble because when he indicated that the continuity of troubles i could immediately hear about much notices over because i am that there's a telephone conversation that you arrange a meeting yes they're well aware that meeting take

place the meeting was took place the next day because you're informed us his local miami florida and you know was this does the financial recovery yes sir and then you went to that hotel guests are you going on those are beginning with his bananas along this rugged canyon to invest your recollection briefly tell us about that meeting the conversation with that as the finance if you want to visit there well invited me up to his room and we were set to not offer me a drink and that probably after the small no small talk he said that he could help me with my aunt fha prawns beneath our economic ties that would require contribution exhibition on the fundraiser and

i think our troops would have to be one hundred thousand dollars and what you say then why why no one had done before and what exactly what he was talking about the drama he had a previous that no other building contractors that the state with a specific as to the manner which it up look at the problems of building contractors that no he was not well there were various and type your dealer's well you are dealers it has the restricted this marvelous for the fha them or is that a more serious problem than that they spend that this is more serious mr stewart well yes but they specifically say that he gave it up you be clear the suspension i guess he gets are and in return he won a competition on a thousand dollars

i caught recently reelected president the tale of a formal confirmation have been warning anyone either cash or cashier's check and out each that probably would be in three different claimants and that was the rhythm planet to be work that what was the scenario the end of the day or the first time and he won a cashier's check point five thousand dollars if i did the first time and you would then take me to washington in as many former commerce secretary more a stance and you understood it what position the johnston stands well at the time he first spoke to me and i didn't know is that in the committee to reelect president was had never i had no voice there's been a former secretary of commerce the doma morris dance is now the chairman of the finance committee

for the media reelect president show me a letter from italy received morris dance designating them as a representative of a commitment like fun and then what would you do and quite often we sit and we want the same as the stands who'd picked the phone line up funding and a stand and call secretary running about your problem yes sir and then we're going to make a payment of twenty five thousand dollars maybe fifty thousand and then the fifty thousand to be paid my suspension was complete list i gather that was explained to us you agree that i disagreed with him but that now i was at the end of that meeting when used as well we had a session that was the end of the year the mating with that or someone in

utah when he won the checkmate i think many re elect the president was going to be a kid i thought i wanted to catch you tell me one of the cashier's check in if there was to be made to the hispanic finance committee to reelect president vowed that he give you borrow just a tremendous give you a business card that scientists he gets there and there was a surprise for the finance hispanic finance committee yesterday and showing his name on this are now what reading did you do it to that meeting with regard to have a conversation well i made a phone call to a must win possibly fha director in miami florida and asked him if he could verify this i like this guy the whole meeting in those circumstances as conflicted verify was this they wait like a tennis favor he said he would not make a few phone calls until midnight did you tell

him that you were then if it was financed and yes i get it i buy certain taught them actually for what are about that the whole thing went recreated the whole conversation and the quarterback is the continent's they serve what it's a utility check and there was all right that it should be a way that i could have my impending suspension i wasn't anything that you do not sir what it happen next governor and mr fernandez for me you would make me a week later i told i didn't have the cash or check i couldn't they have for mike there he said that he'd be back in time one week later and memorizes them at the center's the beach oh don't do this thing and the group part of the time did you make any effort to work at because thousand make any

effort throughout the thing but is it i had made efforts to obtain funds by the time i met mr fernandez the fall in syria had not good thing but i want two of business associates in it met with mr fernandez a week later this was at the picture tell us or i could you tell us about what they did that was that was the fourth michael seventy two it tells the crowd that big belong i know i was in miami a date with me ms rosemary came from miami florida and they're cute now tell us what occurred that mean why it was amazing and that was the meeting was the up at a formal dinner is ari cohen you had a record the inside and i had no card but i would've adored it as soon as the fernandez may call me tomorrow rosen side as if i have the check and i said no what i was

working on it i thought i could get to the drama and he would memorized them at one week later in washington instead he would call me back or what hotel reservations to meet it it to read laurie stands it now that was at the summit substance of that meeting basically yes and i don't want it after that meeting that you make an effort to raise the twenty five of all yes and i can't take it out at an associate who i've purchased land from someone warm for money for investment you'd win a twenty five thousand dollars with one another so well he was willing to do so i asked him that money you could make a lot of the moment and he it had sold the land of criticism he was involved personally and from one time and i he told me he would give me a check when the whole thing in what i want the money for what was done for the money to show mr

fernandez yes i did thomas de france cordova giving him the city had never at this hispanic hispanic finance committee really the president and that he which i got to the republican national committee and i was an outcry by the valley fire that is malbec you know as i had expected you you receive any further communication with the memos concerning a meeting in washington is that it is the finance had told me i would say three about two or three times that we can also call me two or three times a week before before the meeting of the semester i use them equally one of hours going with obtaining the cash i wanna know how he was dealing with is a racist for having my head my troubles perry conversation or bananas that you did to get the money and religion and is one of an interview from a yes sir and those are times when your understanding that you were getting that money on a quid pro

quo to at here are fated ground there is there now they have finally tell you what i'll tell you where you come to i guess or he called me on the phone until he had made reservations at the hay adams hotel and i was the minimal and it was a tool an air and that hugo washington a model yes and it's a copy of a dr forman a restaurant where the girl or the banker gary adams hotel sixteen at northwest wasn't easy is that a record that you submit it was just just desert and is that the show it a state anthony adams the march twelve nineteen seventy two room seven sixteen

leaving march thirteen nineteen seventy two this or mr gemini this bill and the accompanying express ominously you received a tip accordingly as vanessa that time says that is for me that when i write to the hotel i was a ring his room up and meet with him and then was he at hotel yes he was there to strike check and i did write his room up and i pull my district and the former commanders room i know what to do what really major discussion of that time thought well if this meeting mr fernandez at the analysis it was

in miami victim of somalia the newspapers that they hadn't had lights but as the itt contribution two hundred thousand dollars a night all night i said i felt that that's one the biggest corporations in nine states contribute to one thousand dollars of it was very heavy on me for that one hundred thousand dollars hole in the center of it he can do it for two hundred thousand what i do think is unfair what was also tension after one of the discussion that it was a great it was only my god it's a fifty thousand dollars it also mentioned that adobe it tea party she was actually four hundred thousand

out that's what they do on their executive is some nervousness apartments bananas i think it does serve a lack of the previous kaufman's it previously dormant the lesson three times to have enough because he said the commission secretary stands ago mr romney in my presence which is that thing i want to see i knew new secretary stands was the news secretary ron what i've focused enough assurance that out or was anybody else president and yes it was that other three other forcibly of cuban descent one from miami who i think his name of minorca so you know the other's partner site i was like you're learning and that was could

you spell who have a report of a name of a person you know he said what was then that when you didn't i didn't know where the snow was nine but casanova seriously in oviedo of less than those lessons that was first time when all yeah let's go ma and although i believe right now that you had a range to copy it and have the fifty thousand was a day to be a different and yes sir the pennant races to be twenty five thousand to give them a priest and still yet to be present to walk one being an immediate and another twenty five that's when my troubles with my suspension or care and they ask you if you had the money with you i guess we did ask me when he checked with me at the time i pulled yesterday it i guess i don't reject

it was concerned that the jet was not made up to the committee to re elect the president might for months and while i couldn't get the floodwater money from he hadn't heard his committee re enter the republican national committee and it went on like this and he said well we'll see what we can do is that when you came up to washington to bring anything with you oh yes sir in miami for the time as the finance until mid twenties couple of all my mr beasley yes finally got press clippings that resulted in those records the prisoners rubs major newspapers clippings related you could have probably said yes sir and with a self explanatory they were they weren't quite that i would say the real self explanatory it wasn't exactly in detail well you could read through the lines and understand pretty much that there's

something wrong about that evening than the sites now ranking for fifty thousand dollar payment and new method or of a parent what other conversations mr martinez well we were going to be arrangements morning oh yes or would their aims to help make the following morning i told me that night i had originally and i really was changed eleven he said that he would leave that nine eleven o'clock or former dancers i now

without a card now on the way to the best of my knowledge it's that but basically at ita foreign language you go over to be a career next president yes i did sir and what room to dig a year ago i don't recall the room that i was intensely and it got to the second floor and turn to the right mr sloan was that mr fernandez mr sloan so some on the right was different stance on a lot yes sir i'm a feminist what occurred next to get into a scene as stan yes there are willing to see such that we spoke with a list this long they meet that he was glad i was a contributor and words that effect

quality of the slum in our know what the arrangement was i don't recall that sir i don't think he'd be really no man is not mere presence will recall that what the that's what was your unethical might just can't recall i don't think he was from early with her generation interested about the contribution now when and then yes it is i love who was a narrow mr fernandez and distance myself about can you tell us is there is you can see what one character who first oh i was in a business to stand by mr fernandez and i mr fernando spoke first he said that business of prisons tonight he is going to make a contribution to the committee and i had a scrapbook with me

from the press clippings my and when i do that i was afraid to serve as insured through the stands which i did and we look at the scrabble and a big it looks real yes he did take the local seo and fifteen minutes impressions reading the well he was he was really knows its planes were going on that i'm aiming point to the area that is trying to explain the trouble that i was in an earthen explain this is richard green i think the paper's amid a headline about it and i explained this was a fictitious name from one corporation which was arrested besides yes it mr fernandez had told many previously that when i checked the mr stan siegelman when he was just there's a beautiful open

epidemic caught running mr fernando fernandez asked to present just checked all night i get an object it did not follow in a call center jeremy and i asked him and i said what you get at the check and i as possible way that would always was that a phone call heroes that promise secretary romney be called on the phone and i did mr spencer that you don't like or nfl he couldn't tell me that they return much a typical ventilator i know you didn't like them to say who did it make the call center fertilized what larry reassurances number date for my money i mean i make a contribution so for any other reason than that you are not seeking to make that vision reelection presidents

know so i wasn't really interested in the economy and whether the sense that you're human when you make a lot of money mr stanza bird told me that he would make a call nsa what he could do and i said well there was a book like or what the symbolism of we can't believe that they will return about what really make any a statement to the act or the fact that it was not a cashier's check that was a checkmate up the idea that republican committee to services things that make an occasional chicken to make it wrong committee and aliveness of friends a disease that was done in there and mr fernandez mention it was like the day cashin replacement for those check or the smaller checks from idea that was twenty surnames and my own it was a checkmate of my name and i was not

well as a reference made either in that meeting or prior year i think that meeting when a discussion of a payment remains at eighty seven nineteen seventy two yesterday of reference april seven swampers i didn't know what a medical myth of the final payment would have to be made before april seventh he said any payments after it was so he also mentioned that the vote on the night before jet forgotten he said any <unk> also have to be reported and i say that in my situation as a sommelier would be wise enough to have reported about this yes ma'am so some substance that said basically that was there was about a minute left you

an important details out but right now what you do if you met in his office wanting what you do it but there's also a plane home in miami fb the