1973 Watergate Hearings; 1973-09-25; Part 5 of 6

it's b as besso is because of jimmy cayne for some reason the question is not clear to mr hunt i think that it would be very helpful as chairman if we could have a five minute recess the pope at this point the strain of the hearings began to take its toll on mr hahn annie take a few moments to console his attorneys and collect his thoughts after that arrest but he recalled more details about drumming up support for president nixon's speech announcing the mining empire on our

committee will resume a question like that my husband's belongings because it's bleak snow there is very easy in a very

ready answer to your question i however for some reason i've been really running down i will be very cautious however i perceived it within your question perhaps some deeper meaning or deeper implications for let me respond to your question these terms having been asked to engender support for the president's forthcoming huy fong speech bombing of haiphong speech and be in very general terms were having when i was there to seek support from all sources available to me including in particular mr barker even though i did not know either vacant text of the speech

was a response of your question senator content of the speech a general wave of other specific word and a speech and you also say that i have no recollection of settling i may have done it as a matter of honor on the other hand i'd like to get cooperation but regardless of the actual content of the speech well the instructions through overall support for president and g gordon liddy the information is too and information to

you as it does again that the official image which you had in the us mr land and the general intelligence gathering he was eighty why victims don't plan is also part of a gentle intelligent man well as they were at the entry within the contemplation of a

gentle intelligent plan initially maintenance angie no way and to me new restrictions thank you

i mean the first of several interruptions for a floor vote on the military aid bill in a moment the senators will go after more details on the gem stone intelligence plan public television's coverage of the senate watergate hearings will continue after this loss frustration identification on average coverage of these hearings as being broadcast as a public service or your local public television station this is pbs the public broadcasting service fb to pay fb

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the pro life be from washington and that continues its coverage of hearings the senate select committee on presidential campaign activities it again and by correspondent jim lehrer as we go back to that hearing sen montoya lost in all the plans for a break in it must be headquarters well so then they resumed their patients are misguided us is your answer to the last question i don't play by the senate

won't vote with a minute or two the reagan questions so that i can be sure fb picking up at that point i would say that there are as time one time and they weren't

understanding of the various potential democratic contenders became more clear it was quite obvious that thank you a contemplation within the major in the president also went to the headquarters of the center must be that when you buy this contemplation the group of employees within nasa headquarters i learned subsequently and sometime after the date of the libyan court and it required a listening post that is physical facilities near the musky headquarters which might at some later date

have been used for electronic surveillance now what was a general intelligence plan which it with their debt by un <unk> daily for presentation to the attorney general there are three categories in the pension plans of electronic surveillance intelligence which monitor that he witnessed records assistance my input into the category of intelligence acquisition political action dolphin square with human resources that is the recruitment of individuals who would perform either an intelligent or a political action categories dedicated tracks as

beakman that comes to my mind at this moment this senator and this has not happened some time ago is the democratic national convention site and miami florida as well as the hotels along the beach where the various candidates neither delegation might be staying we discuss the democratic national committee not the way it was the budget has presented to mr mitchell covering the entire operation up to election day if granted temporary staging question

to be asking me if the budget government there is a movie nineteen seventy two election period right yes it is so that's the budget as presented would cover the watergate npr and the others mining activity what you were doing at which you're contemplating at the time now when you went to polls in the white house and unfolded it they plan on gathering intelligence and asked him to see mr neely you explain this politically well what we make a judgment today in and make a recommendation to listen comedian

the following week twenty seconds it is not likely in the future literally and as i said that mr levy and again to me as much as the attorney general in some time believing the white house will the committee for the

reelection in the libyans are pointing to the white house for having me and there he was i want to lose as you put it is always in the white house but you just like that day yesterday mr and pop i refer not to have to repeat your testimony of mesquite and really say or asking you did you are neutral plan for any details to mr colson at when you make the appointment it just merely told him that there was an intelligence gathering that they wanted to discuss with it how what specifically did you say domestic calls i

spoke with the secretary with the tradition of trinity are now in your opening statement here on page five you said the this official misconduct the irony of evidence which would have supported my position that they my participation in the watergate was an activity wasn't raised within the power of the president of the united states and b if my participation was not authorized it justifiably below the law now is that your believes at the time that you went to these people to the work a bandana that was your beliefs as dom why did you upon the state are gazans though i'm going to misquote went through delhi india lip on equipment

way up there what a man i'm a man why didn't those buried at the white house with electronic equipment a mixed report and briefcases and going to say i don't agree and voted to now polson secretary and tell her that that's a ha the story of mrs hall on monday morning following the entry operations center was the safest alone then now then why do you have to spend it on no one entry that was legal a hundred and fifty state attorneys the the money's against lightening for the senator like him to plead guilty to injury that you visited legal because of the fact that

the government's obstruction of justice and other really operate his account isn't as having my case it deprive me of my basic expenses as a matter of fact all things that you did are very inconsistent with your stated belief that your entry was i mean the behavior lester center would you permit me to my reactions were simply an effort to limit the damage can thank you sir

and how can you tell and fifty six thousand dollars and immigration that how much money to do this i don't know it is it is there's one thousand dollars has that grip of the state

is set out and now the old accounting mixed messages weren't made known symptom of the nineteen nineteen seventy two for fifty three thousand five hundred dollars less in a given obama's rebels to follow you see in this show what is it you're welcome and are the auto sector board says all this time is

right i don't own ocean when did you say that to my knowledge yeah yeah yes and you see from a gentleman who described himself as the rivers in the event later i believe on one of them an individual finally describes himself as a friend of his to rivers and there's also security presence was yes and the rest of it was not are you

yes you may well you know it is that's right that are now that you say that you also you had that letter notion humans fb facebook i'll attempt to describe each one in turn senator

joe was a less finder which i had maintained for a number of years during my cia employment that contain that not only a number a large number of cia names and telephone extensions are also several names of gemstone personnel are one item another item was an address and telephone book which contained the names addresses pseudonyms and phone numbers we presented in context in late november nineteen seventy one tellingly that

has been engendered by attorney general mitchell and it had first been approached about a judge to a reporter at that time he had me have to count on the support of myself and the miami gentleman farmer labor response to me and who have assisted me are actually taking part in the dhaka feeling like in california i was used to collect intelligence you know i cannot give you a comprehensive list senator but i'll try to give you as money is weaker among the morning quest

through the feminine than mr jack baumann winter haven florida mr thomas a model the committee's name and i was certainly there in a somewhat different context the name of mr ralph when he was there i n t e d either read the names of certain individuals in the miami area who about academy proposed eventually to approach to approach and may have approached it one time i general questions name telephone station and i had the names and telephone numbers of certain of the technical personnel cia who criticism in the past ten years does the white house i have numerous

whitehouse extensions are including those of the players are here the homeless to quote unquote a telephone and turned out to have been the most channels persons i had met in those contexts in new york and it was close to my thought might be worth looking into as gemstone mom developed and proliferate it in its different aspects the pope i would not the committee chairman of the checkpoint want to say that that was the totality of the conclusions reconstruct from my memory of

this time do you have any information you know no and when thousands of people the names of the technical personnel and seven then bayless i don't recall or names that this juncture simply at the cia telephone or extensions what they want to tell a hugely of the you know you know in connection with that information to the defense and

recantation and so forth and you have another part of the nose are now as do you believe that this will be a very complicated mission i might say that i know that the special prosecutor has in its possession and a page memorandum which i grew up immediately following my return from washington courting to the best evidence rule and i would hope that that would soon be in the possession of the committee if it is not because it does contain my reconstruction of events immediately following their crimes however like two basic instructions

when i set out to illicit information from severely work in a while she left washington and the ineffectiveness of our new self way and the whether or not to be famous or infamous memorandum to see it he was according to the best of your knowledge are fraudulent other or many of the items that i was challenged were these were reduced to the form of an aide memoir which i took up to denver with me and they interrogated her from anyway i mean you are consistent with the documentation i was kind of that time question from seven conversation well

in earlier they gave you that her testify today before the earliest documentation you tell me as a dozen new books all it the question came up during the course of one of our numerous dialogues that night i simply confirmed what she had been given to understand by her daughter of america's high levels of the administration who are interested in her welfare you really actually just me i'm the mission thirty eight

memoir which i talked subsequently that was very business is awesome mr jackson was at that time i believe the auction congressional relations of the white house i believe it is then as an attorney you as an assistant us attorney general week you testified yesterday that you know race that mr trudeau into growers' the money to cover the expensive braking to be an artist from all wisconsin yes and when they do i learned in connection with one of my interviews with the special prosecutor or in connection with the testimony i was given before the watergate grand jury

well the money that specifically i won't think is you worry about this double agent this is a message to rest of us it was the fact that the first of all the most electable a democrat in connecticut have been idled volume logic i used to feel like the democratic party and i don't think that would justify it improves any monitors have such a good vs capcom that they would start this double agents to accept the validity of the olympics you'd call that basis the diamond mining companies

in the other case oh you're right mr burtt so that they can hear it on the merits of the possibility or the additional information on possible double agent barry speck when i hear more about that all right munson

lives in late yesterday mr conte bill with your cia background and your cia and taxes or i'd like to pursue that his regime moment i understand the chairman that we will shortly do you want to go anywhere and jesse jackson have any contact what was his you know he was an undercover agent southeast asia for years and wanting to choose mr jackson humans the best friend i hadn't the five point i could conceive of washington dc and i'm not

trying to suggest that there was any great conspiracy by the cia yes indeed see here you start out with your own background can start out information from the personnel files of the houston screening people are finding people score various undertaking every way yes sir he says and you have an occasion papers camera equipment recording equipment at the processing of the making of the assembling of the general parisian

mr jackson mr morton jackson a former cia agent who are you want to measure best grandfather's washington i mean it's the record to suggest that that sort of thing now what i'm really reaching report and whether or not the cia winning support for iraq and others circumstances are supporters of the military operation a new survey the initial circumstances yes senator martinez was still there are leaves still sort of thing scenario it won't work construction on the

part of the intelligence community no no now that you understand regina montoya construction mr bittman the united center and fifty six thousand dollars disbursed how are the mindset that notion of that money or a turning point he's closed due to either hundred and fifty six thousand dollars or whether it he was a bad ass understand additional phrase part of a precedent at my understanding there then and now senator is that all the funds went through his law firm

and whether again your discuss what that when the cia relationship or did he ever suggested knew that to construct the cia now we discuss the cia and the fact that a great many other personalities in the watergate affair and no one point or another touched by the cia and their lives we did not discuss a so called cia defense has been described as under prior testimony what'd you have general questions name and telephone number and see it in your grasp because it had been given the media and entertainment i thought that the support given to me by wagner yes it did you see it at whatever level of

support for several private eye went to no more than four or five exploding beavers i get their profiles cia is spiced that precluded from an automatic gunfire and even in those days you honestly say that until all things that disparity that the cia was not involved in domestic checked and modern organized at the gare elaborate on that it is

manuel requests on how to fry info all sing about an unusual know any approval all those who live in the seven on national security especially as it art

directors from all what anderson did is they wanted to counsel on certain nations security as he heads of the question the concert time and to provide against investment to you or breach of security considerations may i withdraw the question on the assurance from your inner council that we might perceive that other executives at as we have done in other national security related matters pajamas or not suggest any way to this committee how we might legislate against future intervention by the cia and the mistake especially political activities of this country we have no idea just wanted to other questions in this respect but you mentioned that you mention my notes indicate

that your secretary this is paul is an internet now because the tourism sector this is hall with understand you to say that she had an examination here's what she and examination safe i was a career what else was in the sightless eyes and the nose which means i'm jewish the patient i must live simply skip over that has

no idea what happened but you've given us the number of an ancient references of material inside and those who were in utero mean you have any idea why would disappear what was a moment when they were violently mechanical destruction of the orchestra i would say investigators are simple quickly determine the parameters of intense competition and incompetent laughter yeah and there's a memorable and a december thirty first nineteen seventy

one particular attention for sex as i understand it you to say that you would be willing to see my attorney bill but not any time after my wife's death i asked him to see you but his efforts are underway and this is where a lot of your attention to end though i believe understand that delicacy of your coworkers edition and endless delays will be even more suitable for business of that term over position implied that he also an important position i mean his position the capacity for having me

a position this was in december of nineteen seventy two when your testimony to understand it is actually forced a knowledge of mr olson's non trauma surgeon stone another operation either in january or february of our generation the reasoning years preceding years or so using the term over physician douglas if you're over position we're inside take it and you said was her last that polarization is was over activated in december of nineteen seventy two as ta june seventeenth nineteen seventy two

fb the series of letters to director helms and others at the cia after that arrest those letters appearing in our writer's documentary evidence supply missions nasa hoped that there would be some reservation on that point i have no personal knowledge of the sport and a relationship with the agency had to write and had a notion that issue and that worries me is that the sense of that

their statement of the situation however i'm i imagined myself on the air and more to make a statement on that issue and the executives i would propose a continual i'm not familiar with i'm john ydstie the fbi politics

were discussing has to do with the debate over the trident submarine it took place in close session on the senate floor and had nothing to do with watergate we'll be back with more testimony a moment public television's coverage of the senate watergate hearings will continue after a pause for a station identification on average coverage of these hearings as being broadcast as a public service or your local public television station this is pbs their public broadcasting service the

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it's been made in fact continues its coverage of hearings the senate select committee on presidential campaign activities here again and by correspondent jim lehrer to go back to the hearings and dashes entering an affidavit end of the record his name that was mentioned yesterday in the testimony by

on those estimated the following one affidavit like to read into the record and i know that nearby swear in the pose that under questioning yesterday september twenty four line is the best committee council yesterday howard not acknowledged that he had repaired quote which means when white house then white house counsel special counsel intended this to a member of the press and the further questioning <unk> testified that this derogatory mature was used in an article co authored by mr jerry powers who represents one of the detroit newspapers in washington if one the second half of the story that was the charge was publishing and then as my professional

reputation and upon detroit news information and says he wrote about this today was applied to me in august nineteen seventy one as i recall it was written in spy prose style was obviously intended to reflect adversely upon his dignity and thereby on mr ellsberg for re training and as i read it and find more than five months later on january thirty nineteen seventy two the detroit news published a story by me about the formation of the elder defense fund in the process and there's division among others information and my article came from them and public documents it was and it was a mix

on the pentagon papers i categorically deny that the information gathered to quote unquote formed the second half of a story and quotes that i was publishing on out there i'm going with this so that you and the other members of the committee i'm confident further i am prepared to testify under oath in an open session before the select committee my reputation as an objective and fair reporter is my most precious possession i cannot permit aspersions over national television to go unanswered blessed by silence be interpreted as a set any interest of fair play i think utah lawmakers set the record straight and whatever fashion inappropriate including the reading of this affidavit in open session and the committee side

mass to question witnesses michele norris host clandestine operations you don't win each other on the official name that's some practice a certain vision of activities and there to support need to know basis

and now really common theme let's gentlemen to have been cited for reckless mormonism is jon lester did you know at that time being the fact that mr john bartlett is the fact that he was in fact the director of the inspection polio it's

morning edition the injured as jack jack that's right i mean you can pay for them what was the nature of your relationship

julie rose immigration now in the present ms julie ask me about my meetings gentleman occasionally head and i said that i would not at all mind so unusual identification system was that first meeting the journal was turned over to me and that process continued we each and cajun remain would establish

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