1973 Watergate Hearings; 1973-09-24; Part 2 of 5

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the polls he says that he's but you understand it so it's actually based on the fact that micheletti and i as of that date would just returned from the national reconnaissance but the feeling profession promises in beverly hills and then there are the names of the feasibility study and that of the president for years

you're welcome it was a political event in the nineteen eighties fischer says that cooperation in getting the cooperation of mrs mccain as an de diego or mr barton says today during the cia sponsored effort

which end of the nose of the operation that's right in nineteen sixty eight you began this relationship the pentagon papers

considerably more documentation and he told me that these materials are just a classified internal bearing on my research is working to find and sixteen and i subject to leave without purpose things sixteen were quite extensive and i began as a matter of course and custom to go there every day to acquaint myself when additional information as it flowed into extinction the various government agencies are making contributions so it was that i spent less and less time than was free thirty three three at this time and a great time in sixteen which became known as the special investigation john doing this

oh you're welcome mr posen the date and those in on our gut checks his nose for exact dates of plumbers activities were going to take a short break public television coverage of the senate watergate hearings will continue after a pause for station identification on average coverage of these hearings is being broadcast as a public service on your local public television station this is pbs the public broadcasting service the

pope fb is by a peek peek peek speak from washington and that continues its coverage of hearings by the senate select committee on presidential campaign activities it again and bad correspondent jim lehrer as we go back to the hearings now mr harvey is discussing his report following the break in at the office of daniel

ellsberg's psychiatrist the competition the following tuesday december first working day after labor day was the morning show mr golson eddie i am oh yeah now simon's interview him as the beetle and the people are you or what mr

golson or anybody else for information on and ten years when was this in late july of nineteen seventy one and now the true of that you know too well you have this interview with the sky yesterday and how to obtain care through seven sons services committee i were able to materials that would permit to disguise himself she had been given information effectively

i was believed to have information reflecting on favorably upon certain members of the kennedy political groupings this having been based on the experience of an individual in clifton the man who had been an official part of the camp the entourage throwing me nineteen sixty the question the prophet and that you could undertake to illicit information from him for an interview with the proposal we haven't ms carlson known as

mia whether another provided i said i would not allow internet internet searches the scariest recommendations might be available through it or the secret service or the fbi representative at the white house in question indicated that veterans too sensitive to other researchers or the fbi and recommendations i turn the pages out of the question that the person than the earth in other operations today i said that and they're not as expensive and the second question said to me

thank you the question that the agency for setting up in general question at cia headquarters of the interview mr information and

in the land it's been leaking the question what answers before the last question there's about climate

convention in late november nineteen seventy one most of that he approached me saying that the establishment in his trinity was about to become its chief and mr that in terms of an operation i was this planet and yes sir do you understand my understanding was as follows that the plant have been proposed and the required by the attorney general of the united states mr mitchell that masters salute and leveraging third then cancel the president united states and job

creation now did you in fact i did with the exception of that portion of the plan show dealt with electronic surveillance now for the reasons a little ample reasons nation of the land and the little baby twenty seven nineteen seventy two and seventy us about oh that you would be you know i don't

because of the increased in montana has been investigating that i would be able to get far less time to mr carlson then i have been in the past he said that he understood this and in the end if they were our planet and we're going to let you know yes on one occasion and it must have been in conjunction with this particular interview me in fact it's if you're going to give me but mostly i told him

the situation and fans have that concern i have patients annie i mean imagine this you know the conversation twenty seven nineteen seventy two

i am no no mr goldstein the

pain is both simon i understand in the nineteen seventies i know i know my god no and

no alice doesn't live within seven to nineteen seventy eight the us side is that it was likely the signs this affidavit was there that's to me a federal courthouse by my attorney might then attorney mr reginald the mine before a federal grand jury that i'm a lot like mr bergman and again and then increasing the affidavit and platform from the speaker's office and they don't want a different be signing and kevin and i did in fact signing up today i know this ominous sign just given mr paulson didn't want to be known as the movie that doesn't get

any noes are you explain why because the information that was just in january when that i possessed in january only two over it had nothing to do with the specific a break in at the democratic national headquarters and this was a record or a banner are happy that they get to see how or is it not true that romney's goal it's

been if beak the place but there's been ms

bruce became the part of the people and in terms of the accuracy a bit of danish let me say a customer have given second recession in fact victor on occasion when i introduce you to it and depression for the first time following that particular meeting mister mister early seventies isn't it for me

these interrogations testimony two stayed in the family and the patient so the question is and visibility

i mean that's and he's right now all right there's

a little bit of confusion about it you can it's been nice but the police by the state

most of the testimony recently gave executives and i and it was so it was clear to me before you undertook this last question that he didn't quite clearly understand what you're driving at and i think this is your first question well that's i mean as quickly as we can go on to something else i think what you're asking him is whether the past few weeks he had added to his explanation of his conversations with mr cole so the facts that in january nineteen seventy two there was a conversation between him and mr khalsa which indicated that mr carlson had knowledge of gemstone yes

and i think we can answer that right and the question was at that i put to you is is this the first time us now and he told me that you and for many other messages including the grand jury that is present serving about that information now the committee what appears to be contradictory testimony and executive session and now what this committee has to mr paulson's plan olive general repeated questioning they've been saying for years

these sessions development work back of my mind for the first time the phone conversation that i am genuinely of that cause and that there is no as against his testimony info again kind of the mindset that this is in an executive session less and i was pointing out and the edges that that's that mr khan had not given his testimony and variations and not just given as an explanation

as it is now and would you believe it as recent testimony before this committee i'm renee montagne well you know now it is the best in january as well you were telling us for years

rob lowe where it that mr romney is not giving us information for the first time and only recently gave it to us in executive session singing this is it is there any indication the polls anyway you're going to play and it's a desert my legal position easily the most does not

depend upon his because his knowledge and the knowledge at the time i have but visibility is invisible what reason to get you indicated to me that first of all he had made chuck colson was a man who got things done he is on the desert for a substantial physician in the fourth generation libby's city michel my pleasure

and so it will have another of our bases we're on which he could and so i did it was that you are right he's been a nice beat testimony i went into the back of the room

sat by quietly can lead him to a magazine a conversion of girls are the journey for him how many ways and the united nations that it he said quote i think i may have done us your interpretation of that message i realize that he had been speaking with the question about the operation why oh why do i think that because that was the only concept that is a concern which he could have done any good i know

now worried that i could only have been the gemstones concept those young man was an insulation out there you're welcome you're certainly dealing with oh nice

if you ask me as an accommodation it is we're waiting today in the hotel i gathered enough to it also inspired by the prime time we have no difficulty recognizing each other origination what form an indication that i have been a look into their schedules but action

policy statements which are that the median value i'd say i hadn't seen in many years my understanding was the money used to go to the faithfully photographic services that have been made virgin isn't it you know it is it is very

very true working is first a policy papers working papers their schedules the most listener contribution contributors of political campaign ad i did the same way haitian government workers how he prepared for initially by providing me with a floor that rahm when i introduce

mr gregory ended in april not for the first time to satisfy his own particular tactical interests mr gregory took mr mccourt through the mcgovern headquarters they continued as it were doing is between themselves and can actually electronic surveillance attempt this is yours you know it's

been given to people the piece by thank you the carrot and

family that he favors really affected her publisher named hank greenspan had information which must be out of the lower and it was the content that this information the company's finances after his initial reaction may inform me that ineffective unable to confirm the rumor that he had heard from another source of this rumor and approve this position and the participants or so i'm sure

rose discussion nevada political situation litigation perhaps to arrest the prime minister he's the physician political making use of the greenspan years the allegation being judges and so this came into this discussion with knowing that suggested that there was a commonality of interests

between he used to accompany mr lydia myself mr whitney and i would go to my office when he indicated that they were supposed to cooperate with me in the matter is i had no prior experience was famous and he said that he would in an attempt to reduce the regional office i asked him whether with its a motive in a centrist legislators could provide us with sports facilities such as hotel rooms automobiles and so forth he indicated that would be no problem the station and a good at

all interested in getting information that made the decision there was a true legend or assistance from them regarding our resources out in las vegas yesterday that include am an immigrant on this time i did baseball i don't have to answer in the form of that became a time two weeks later following my first of twenty that didn't actually and i had other reasons to go to the west coast

and a particular date for years that conversation question for the first time and wasn't follow and you'd have to say that there would be an injury and that the safety and even if the less you would want to use among the last to yours yes sir so did any good day and video also that he could prove it i'm going into

appalachian initiative into operation were advised that the idea that he would have preferred jewish vote for authorization it so happened the following the evening among the twenty of mr levy in myself and now with particularly interested in the information that the conventional narrative was arrested thirty other good chatting with them asking about the panda they are it is michigan

scott simon host to develop a network of informants along the miami beach hotel complex who report to most concerning campaign of violence that the violence policies of the democratic candidates as a young man so meaning he's

dribbling i think so and the systems yes sir it is twenty seventeen

that's right they go to the white house the conversation i want to move to douglas caddies at the attorney attorney in vermont company after receiving the morning i got ten thousand

dollars for that content is julie i took a half of the five minutes i'm now you may know you'll love the provinces at that hour later when did you leave it is not this right help us your car or change your office at the gop and looking at looking through the conference has said

this trip thank you what you having this be there's a great deal for the fabricated vietnamese campaigns haven't shown to cause an engine lambert there weren't insured a gemstone there were transcripts on my conversations with a lot of them up for example very substantial monitoring all or part of the family of time discovering united states

attorney in atlanta b a briefcase which included the most important day of the conference was that secretary this is john paul and you i did but simply too and promises to help manage her life saved that contained sensitive material they simply said there are wanted another chance at his local seed and

then today on the nineteenth saying you really made me and we met on the usa government i believe it is a seventeen thousand yeah we met conversation he told me that it was necessary for me to get out of town and they want to get out of town that indicated they were not at that time and then the fact that he told me that it was technically a lot and you know i didn't have that time to make arrangements to bring council it local council government the russian council

will find a name to martin the jackson mr liddy appeared out unannounced and twenty first of june i reiterated my request you can hear somebody playing for me to watch an area i'm actually gave me a thousand dollars and said the us will help with jackson michael jackson mm hmm michel

richard james of the prison and i get out on july third palestinians thank you at the time mr jackson on the twenty four of june i am raised the question with him is i had strolled out of people since then vincent cassel fees but you live he said don't worry about that it's now going to be taking care of just like the company or the sec to me that meant and traditional say are clandestine service fresh

even producers thousand dollars richer thing i know that i said to him as a corrective the white house cod via the wake of the arrests must've had some extent please tell me who was the action officer now and most of the time that's right when you read this i will return and

that to continue to seek counsel and to make sure that the rest of men in those of us who are still out there would be taken care of the customer i don't relate to me a revelation the revelations was if you had told me back in behalf of the united states in the united states that we have been apprehended

them were in jail with the money they owe money for school fees were needed in the immediate he did yes duration and michigan delegations

yes and the reaction to that goal in rejected it defines mr rivers and then there are women fb the